November 27 short-term update: 250 thousand reads, and shared >350 times! Including cited in economics and policy news coverage in four different continents, and leading U.S. news such as Bloomberg and Chicago Tribune. Also among the most read and engaged that day on Zero Hedge. For the latest article on just how unlikely a recount will be can be found here.
President-elect Trump won 306 electoral votes versus Hillary Clinton's 232 (24% less electoral votes). Similar to 2000, the surrendering party then reversed course and put the nation through a recount, just for the sake of it. What are the odds that such an exercise here would yield successful for Ms. Clinton? Based on statistical randomness of re-assessing voter intent, the chance of Hillary emerging as the victor is far less than 10%. Anything could happen including a likely crack of the electoral process in federal courts, but these lean odds do not rise to the level of putting our peaceful democracy into the hands of a temptuous recount scheme every time a stung party loses (let alone misleadingly blame it on something else from Russia's Putin, to sexism, to FBI Director Comey, to "in hindsight the popular vote would be reasonable"). All Americans should instead focus on how the 6 states that flipped this election, were all economically ignored and all flipped to Donald Trump. The only viable path for a Hillary Clinton victory at this stage is to astoundingly uncover a wide-spread (across three states) fraud. And that's equally unlikely, since the basis for the voting aberrations occurred in less populated counties and anyway the three states employ three different voting mechanisms, so the fraud would have had to somehow jointly occur through different transmission vehicles (paper voting, and electronic voting) and we would require a speedy judicial resolution for states such as Pennsylvania that sidestepped back-up recordings from their direct voting equipment.
We should note the following statistical facts about the electoral vote in the three recount states:
Given that Mr. Trump won by 74 electoral votes, Ms. Clinton would need to flip all three states noted above, in order to liquidate this deficit (i.e., >74/2 = >37 votes). The leads described above however, among 4.4 million total voters from these three states, is highly statistically significant on a state-level (and certainly when all three states are combined). It would be remarkably unlikely (>5σ event) that we would arbitrarily second-guess every one of these millions of voters' intents and, convert any (certainly let alone all) of these three states.
Hillary must be cognizant of this improbability, and so instead is foolishly piggy-backing off of the second most reasonable recount rationale: not that errors in intent occurred, but rather straight-fraud on such a scale that would flip most of these states. While tempting for Democrat supporters, this fraud scenario is of course dubious and a humiliating ploy at this stage. Because for it to work, we would need to suppose that such fraud occurred in three different ways at once:
The bottom line is everything must go right here, in all three state recounts (between proving fraud and getting mathematical support from wide-spread "voter intent errors"), in order to better align towards a Donald Trump downfall. And even if this all occurred, accounting for all of these statistical adjustments, the probability of a Hillary Clinton triumph is still quite low.
Lower than the odds that comic Nate Silver and all of the other "pollsters" gave to Mr. Trump throughout this election season. It is these same pollsters and juvenile campaign "scientists" who completely mis-forecasted Ms. Clinton's path, who are now gasping for a recount phenomenon. This was nicely articulated in a recent Bloomberg article here:
President-elect Trump won 306 electoral votes versus Hillary Clinton's 232 (24% less electoral votes). Similar to 2000, the surrendering party then reversed course and put the nation through a recount, just for the sake of it. What are the odds that such an exercise here would yield successful for Ms. Clinton? Based on statistical randomness of re-assessing voter intent, the chance of Hillary emerging as the victor is far less than 10%. Anything could happen including a likely crack of the electoral process in federal courts, but these lean odds do not rise to the level of putting our peaceful democracy into the hands of a temptuous recount scheme every time a stung party loses (let alone misleadingly blame it on something else from Russia's Putin, to sexism, to FBI Director Comey, to "in hindsight the popular vote would be reasonable"). All Americans should instead focus on how the 6 states that flipped this election, were all economically ignored and all flipped to Donald Trump. The only viable path for a Hillary Clinton victory at this stage is to astoundingly uncover a wide-spread (across three states) fraud. And that's equally unlikely, since the basis for the voting aberrations occurred in less populated counties and anyway the three states employ three different voting mechanisms, so the fraud would have had to somehow jointly occur through different transmission vehicles (paper voting, and electronic voting) and we would require a speedy judicial resolution for states such as Pennsylvania that sidestepped back-up recordings from their direct voting equipment.
We should note the following statistical facts about the electoral vote in the three recount states:
- 10 votes, Wisconsin (Trump leads by 0.9 percentage points)
- 20 votes, Pennsylvania (Trump leads by 1.1 percentage points)
- 16 votes, Michigan (Trump leads by 0.2 percentage points)
Given that Mr. Trump won by 74 electoral votes, Ms. Clinton would need to flip all three states noted above, in order to liquidate this deficit (i.e., >74/2 = >37 votes). The leads described above however, among 4.4 million total voters from these three states, is highly statistically significant on a state-level (and certainly when all three states are combined). It would be remarkably unlikely (>5σ event) that we would arbitrarily second-guess every one of these millions of voters' intents and, convert any (certainly let alone all) of these three states.
Hillary must be cognizant of this improbability, and so instead is foolishly piggy-backing off of the second most reasonable recount rationale: not that errors in intent occurred, but rather straight-fraud on such a scale that would flip most of these states. While tempting for Democrat supporters, this fraud scenario is of course dubious and a humiliating ploy at this stage. Because for it to work, we would need to suppose that such fraud occurred in three different ways at once:
- Michigan is a paper-ballot state (no equipment hacking possible) so electronic fraud is virtually unlikely to come about
- Wisconsin does have paper back-ups recorded though the counties that are most heterogeneous, are lesser-populated and not so wildly-off probabilistically
- Pennsylvania has similar issues to Wisconsin, except they haven't recorded all of their votes in an auditable back-up so rife judicial hurdles must be overcome
The bottom line is everything must go right here, in all three state recounts (between proving fraud and getting mathematical support from wide-spread "voter intent errors"), in order to better align towards a Donald Trump downfall. And even if this all occurred, accounting for all of these statistical adjustments, the probability of a Hillary Clinton triumph is still quite low.
Lower than the odds that comic Nate Silver and all of the other "pollsters" gave to Mr. Trump throughout this election season. It is these same pollsters and juvenile campaign "scientists" who completely mis-forecasted Ms. Clinton's path, who are now gasping for a recount phenomenon. This was nicely articulated in a recent Bloomberg article here:
I think the point is to create uncertainty so that the ELECTORS from those 3 states cannot vote on electoral college vote day (December 19, or December 13 when they have to be certified). 306 - 10 - 20 - 16 = 260: Trump now doesn't have enough electors to win...
ReplyDeleteIf any state or states do not cast their electoral college votes, only the percentage matters. There are 538 electors with today's number of states and their populations. If 20 do not show up because their state was jammed by a legal proceeding, then there are only 518 electors, and you then need 260 to win.
DeleteBottom line? They can't screw Trump out of this. The last time this happened was around the time of the civil war. Two states did not cast their votes and the electoral college then just took the majority of what remained. The number of electors needed is not a fixed and set number, it is based ONLY ON WHAT IS AVAILABLE.
The entire 270 to win meme was based on all possible electors present. Now that Hillary is playing games, we probably won't have all electors present, and the system will continue on, like nothing happened.
That's a long shot, but better to just recontest ALL states (it would still fail though): https://statisticalideas.blogspot.com/2016/11/losers-who-wont-lose.html
DeleteDon't think this is right, but please read: https://statisticalideas.blogspot.com/2016/11/losers-who-wont-lose.html
Deletef any state or states do not cast their electoral college votes, only the percentage matters. There are 538 electors with today's number of states and their populations. If 20 do not show up because their state was jammed by a legal proceeding, then there are only 518 electors, and you then need 260 to win.
ReplyDeleteBottom line? They can't screw Trump out of this. The last time this happened was around the time of the civil war. Two states did not cast their votes and the electoral college then just took the majority of what remained. The number of electors needed is not a fixed and set number, it is based ONLY ON WHAT IS AVAILABLE.
The entire 270 to win meme was based on all possible electors present. Now that Hillary is playing games, we probably won't have all electors present, and the system will continue on, like nothing happened.
Don't think this is right, but please read: https://statisticalideas.blogspot.com/2016/11/losers-who-wont-lose.html
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